Re: New reflector site

Carl Iverson (
Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:27:00 -0800 wrote:
> >so on my reflector, i limit access to 15 users, 10 of which may
> >send/receive video, 5 receive only.
> >and there are 2 conferences set up that way. so a max of 30 users, as 28.8
> >each, means when im full im eating up 864k, a little more than half a T1,
> >which isnt too terrible.
> >Also i set up *my* reflector to control how users use the bandwidth, i
> >wish others would too, rather than going with defaults:
> >
> >o you cannot send or receive more than 40k (for lan users like me)
> >o you cannot set your minimum send/recv higher than 10k
> I think that the bottom line is that the network is outgrowing itself.
> In the old days, people we re more concious about conserving bandwidth,
> mostly I think because the net was populated by people who were computer
> folks who knew what it meant to use up large chunks of the wire.
> Secondly, there needs to be an investment in the infrastructure of the
> net, especially considering that people are clamoring for cable modems
> and the like that could easily surpass T-1 speeds - to individual users!
> AT&T's ASDL will provide anywhere from ISDN to thick wire Ethernet speeds
> to *all* of their customers, depending upon the depth of their pockets.
> Consider the effect of a million 2MB/s users all using a program like
> CuSee-Me at the same time! Ooof! In that case even ATM powered FT-3
> links will not be good enough. It will likely need to be in the one or
> two GB/s range! And since that speed is at the state of the art for
> optical fiber, it would seem that the only solution is to vastly increase
> the density of the net itself by increasing the number of links. It may
> evolve to the point where users will have to share the load by sharing
> some of the throughput to their neighbors. Imagine the turmoil that
> would cause the great unwashed, knowing they were paying for pipe that
> would be used for their near neighbors and the like. But then, it is
> consitent with the initial mission of the net, to share the burden.
> The realisitic solution is usage metering, something this old net hack
> abhors. I need to make a living and being a professional student in
> order to preserve "real" net access is not in my best interests.
> You can't keep whales in a net designed for trouts and carp. And that's
> where the net is now. I think that the powers that be know this but have
> yet to arrive at a complete solution.The market place will create what it needs. Just keep the government out
of the telecom business, ala interconnect fees.