RE: Pornography Causes Reflector Shutdown -Reply

Samuel A. Gray III (sgray@cbmse.nrl.navy.mil)
Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:15:34 -0500


(before I begin, no more bandwith on this subjet on my part)
Break it down. Are you going to do something effective, or just make
noise?

If you're making noise then you're letting the public know your
opinion about an issue, and then you may influence someone not to do
something in an effort to be polite. Great.

But frankly you'll always draw the asshole who doesn't care, or is
just mentally detuned to the point where he isn't aware of the
effects of what he's doing. And there are billions of people out
there like that. What then?

We start by complaining to ISP's about content from various ip
sources? What a great big fucking can of worms that would be. Public
outcry would be enough to shut down a site regardless of what they
are doing, out of the many things that site could be doing at one
time...then some mother's group gets on the road to their nearest
state capitol and persuades the local equivalent of Jesse Helms to
pass a whiteboard law regulating internet content-then they can
prosecute the source of anything that travels into their state
according to local mores...which may happen anyway...

ARE YOU PEOPLE JUST IDIOTS, OR WHAT?
AND YOU WANT TO START A GROUP TO FORWARD INFORMATION ABOUT SITES YOU
DON'T THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE? WHAT ARE YOU, A BUNCH OF
FREAKING NAZIS?????? WHO MADE YOU THE INTERNET POLICE???

We need to MAKE SURE that this kind of thing can't happen. We need to
MAKE SURE that people are aware that the internet is like completely
free-wheeling, so they don't expect it to be like the neighborhood
market, a place where they can take their kids out to eat ice cream
and watch the crowds, like it's some kind of sterile amusement
park...THEN they will overreact when they're exposed to the
inevitable, THEN you will see the Helms types out there waving their
lawsuits and regulations.

And did you ever notice? If you don't live in
Tennesse/Alabama/Georgia/Misissippi you CAN'T VOTE on pending
legislation in those states (indirectly even)? That's the real
kicker. Think about it! If you set up a Usenet server, an ftp site, a
pop server, a web server, and some moron gets 'pornography' off your
site, there are no limits to the extent you can be prosecuted, for
something that happened without you even leaving your house, in some
state/country you've never been to.

Otherwise, we might as well all begin to treat the internet as if it
was holy ground right now.
sag

>>> Richard Collins <rcollins@mirror.det.mun.ca> 1/8/96, 10:57am >>>
People are beginning to make "censorship" accusations in this
discussion and it's really unnecessary. Let's look at the logic of
all this.

1. I've witnessed this behavior on "public reflectors" with
clearly noted "welcome messages" asking for non-nudity. The message
did not seem to deter the unwelcome participants.

2. This ignorance of a clearly stated policy puts the
blame/responsibility upon them. Would you enjoy it if someone
ignored your request to get "outta your face" on a public street?

3. Make sure your reflector is clearly marked as "G"-rated and
then, if abusers persist, ban them with every means possible. This
should even extend to the point of contacting providers.

4. These people are abusing their privledges and demonstrating
their ignorance by continuing this activity. I did a "net search"
for "cuseeme reflectors" and found almost 50% of the entries to be
places where these people will be in good company
(voyeurism/exhibitionism etc.). These reflectors are clearly
marked.