Re: P133 too slow?

Bill Woodland (
Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:50:12 -0500

At 06:50 PM 7/23/97 BST, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>The problem isn't CU, it's what White Pine have done to it. They took
>version 2.1.1, which was relatively lean on system requirements, updated
>some codecs, added another, and bolted on one of the most useless
>interfaces it's ever been my misfortune to see. And I've helped people
>with thier first Visual Basic projects, so I know bad interface design
>when I see it :)

I agree...Steve Edgar at Cornell did some fantastic work in only 650k.

>The number of requests I get (to my 'other' email address) asking for
>help in locating version 2.1.1 for them to use instead of 3.0 is quite
>All it needs is for some enterprising person to pay the $75 to Cornell,
>get the 0.92b1 source and retrofit colour codec support and I can see
>thousands of people dumping 3.0 for good. =20

As much as I would like to see that happen, it won't, at least not for $75,
and Cornell will NEVER support color, due to their agreement with White
Pine. Unfortunately the $75 deal does NOT give you the right to use the
source code to produce a product that will compete with White Pine's
product. There are four kinds of licenses. This is from the license page
at Cornell:

>(a) Restricted Internal Use Only License Agreement - This agreement, from
Cornell University,
>authorizes the use of the Cornell source code for experimentation and
research. No redistribution rights are
>provided. Please refer to the specific license for a complete statement of
rights and restrictions.=20
> Examples of activities that are permitted under this license are:=20
> A university graduate student doing a masters thesis on video
> An R&D lab within a corporation deciding if CU-SeeMe can fit
into the technology
> strategy for the company,=20
> A product development group determining if it can or wants to
develop an enhancement
> that would eventually be commercialized,=20
> Examples of activities that are not permitted under this license:
> Studying the algorithms for the intent of improving own
locally-developed competing
> end-user software,=20
> Making a modified version and using the modified version
internally for normal production
> or business purposes beyond research.=20

And even if someone was willing to pay the higher price for the license
they would need to make a competing product, THAT license requires that ALL
source code changes be sent to White Pine and Cornell, so they can add in
the same bug fixes or enhancements. See for more info on the licenses from
BOTH Cornell AND White Pine.

Bill Woodland (Squeek =A9) PC questions only, please.
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