CFV: hierarchy

Brennan T. Price (
12 May 1995 15:31:31 -0400

Following is the entire, unaltered, Call For Votes (CFV) regarding the
proposed CU-SeeMe hierarchy. As it says, the proper place for follow-up
discussion is the USENET newsgroup "". Please read the entire
CFV before voting.

As I have said before, the creation of the newsgroups will not require the
destruction of the mailing lists. I hope we can "gate" them to each
other, so you'll see the same discussion whether your subscribe to the
discussion mailing list or read the newsgroups. The same is true of the
announcement list/newsgroup.


moderated group
unmoderated group
unmoderated group
unmoderated group
unmoderated group

Newsgroups lines: CU-SeeMe announcements.
(Moderated) Macintosh-specific CU-SeeMe topics. General CU-SeeMe topics. PC-specific CU-SeeMe topics. CU-SeeMe reflectors.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact For questions about the
proposed groups, contact the proponent, Michael Sattler <>.


CU-SeeMe is an Internet desktop videoconferencing system for the Macintosh
and PC that (currently) uses public "reflector" sites to allow net.denizens
to interact with each other across platforms. CU-SeeMe for Macintosh and
Windows is available from

There are currently two mailing lists (maintained at Cornell University)
that deal with CU-SeeMe: an announcements-only list and a technical
discussion list. The former is used to tell users about newly released
versions, etc. The latter hosts an active discussion on the installation
and use of CU-SeeMe and supporting system software. These are and, respectively.

There are currently two other "unofficial" CU-SeeMe mailing lists: one
devoted to public reflector events and the other to being a forum for
reflector operators. These are and, respectively.

* Group 1: (moderated)

This would be a "moderated" newsgroup. I use quotes because it's a
non-standard use of the word moderated. This newsgroup is intended to only
carry announcements from the CU-SeeMe development staff regarding new
versions, work-arounds, and the like. It's expected that this group would
show very light traffic (as the existant mailing list currently shows). For
the purposes of discussion, the proposed newsgroup moderator is the current
list moderator, (Richard Cogger). Having the
announcement list and this newsgroup gated would be a good thing.

* Group 2: (unmoderated)

This would be the catch-all discussion group not dealing with the specific
technical issues covered in the other groups. The name "misc" was chosen
to be in line with current newsgroup name conventions. In the past this
type of group was know as a ".d" (for "discussion") group.

Topics would include:

+ policy (eg. the merits of setting a maximum transmission cap
to prevent flooding the Internet) and operation (eg. using
the reflector software to enforce a cap) of public reflectors

+ announcements of "events" (eg. broadcast of the Burning Man
extravganza) and public exhibition use of CU-SeeMe (eg. in
museums (eg. the Exploratorium in San Francisco) and
conferences (the Rotterdam School of Management)))

+ distribution of lists of public reflectors

+ moral, ethical, and philosophical issues surrounding the use
of desktop videoconferencing, broadcasting events, and
responsible use of the Internet bandwith by CU-SeeMe.

* Group 3: (unmoderated)
* Group 4: (unmoderated)

These would be platform-specific newsgroups open to all topics relating to the
installation and use of CU-SeeMe. Included are germane discussions of:

+ computer and audio/video hardware (eg. video capture boards
and video cameras) and system software (eg. Winsock and MacTCP)

+ conflicts with other software

+ performance analysis of particular configurations

+ other technical topics as they relate to CU-SeeMe (eg.
multicasting, Maven audio teleconferencing software)

* Group 5: (unmoderated)

+ distribution, installation, debugging, and other technical
aspects to operating a reflector for the CU-SeeMe community.

RATIONALE (from proponent)

CU-SeeMe (available for the Macintosh (audio/video) and PC (video-only))
has recently recieved coverage in the American press of late as an on-ramp
to the "information superhighway". With the impending availability of
Connectix's sub-US$100 video camera (for the Macintosh) and the
ever-lessening cost of video cards and camera (for the Macintosh and the
PC), the target audience for CU-SeeMe is expected to grow (explode?).

CU-SeeMe, which offers audio (currently on selected platforms), video,
scrolling text, and an in-beta-test future of plug-in modules for
specialized applications, firmly belongs in the comp.multimedia hierachy.

More information about CU-SeeMe may be found at

More information about the Connectix QuickCam may be found at

(Both of these web pages are maintained by the proponent. Both of these
web pages have pointers to other, related resources on the web.)


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